Hi all, I've been TeX-doodling with the font shown on the page below: http://www.typography.com/catalog/hoeflertext/ornaments.html Some of the nicer patterns are predicated on having horizontal as well as vertical elements smashed up next to one another. I find myself having to adjust for little gaps with: \godown[-0.029\bodyfontsize] Does this ring a bell with anyone? I would have thought \godown[0pt] was the answer, but not so, here. The font metrics seem to be right, adding up to 1000 in both directions (or a little more, actually, considering overlapping dots). -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Lancaster University, InfoLab21 +44(0)1524/510.514 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-