On Mon, 15 Jan 2024, Jim wrote:

Thoughts?

\startitemize[nowhite, after] . . . \stopitemize See: https://adityam.github.io/context-blog/post/spacing-in-itemize/ Aditya

Two replies in one... On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 15:47 (+0100), Aditya Mahajan wrote:

On Mon, 15 Jan 2024, Jim wrote:

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Thoughts?

\startitemize[nowhite, after] . . . \stopitemize

See: https://adityam.github.io/context-blog/post/spacing-in-itemize/

Aditya, thanks for the suggestion, and thanks for the link. "after" does the trick, but not in an automatic way. I would like something which automagically "does the right thing". Perhaps it just doesn't exist in ConTeXt. The plain TeX macros I wrote for itemization do what I want, so I know it isn't (at least in plain TeX) a difficult thing. On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 16:08 (+0100), Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

Am 15.01.24 um 15:36 schrieb Jim:

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\startitemize[packed,joinedup] should be the right combination.

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I won't argue about "should", but I will point out it isn't, at least on my computer with a recently updated context.

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Here is a non-minimal but short non-working example.

Sorry, then you need "nowhite". Usually that’s synonymous to "packed,joineup", but apparently not if whitespace is active.

"Usually" is in the eye of the beholder. ;-) I would have thought that having non-zero whitespace between paragraphs is common. For example, Aditya's blog linked to above has whitespace between paragraphs. Are you suggesting that is uncommon, or (showing my Context-noobness) is \setupwhitespace not the usual ConTeXt way to do this?

I added a few comments to https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupitemgroup Unfortunately, this is one of the areas where we have a plethora of options and no documentation about them.

Thanks for adding them. I see you did not document the all-important (to me) "after" (or "before") in the wiki. Would you like to add that? If you don't have time right now, I'd be happy to do so. Cheers. Jim

On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 20:33 (+0100), Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

Am 15.01.24 um 17:15 schrieb Jim:

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"after" does the trick, but not in an automatic way. I would like something which automagically "does the right thing".

With “automagically”, do you mean for all instances?

I hate to go out on a limb and say "all", but I mean that if there is text "immediately" following the \stopitemize (i.e., no \par token or vertical mode material before more text), then there is no white space following the last \item. But if there is a blank line following the last \item, there will be vertical white space corresponding to the current \setupwhitespace setting following the last item.

\setupitemgroup[itemize][nowhite,after]

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Sorry, then you need "nowhite". Usually that’s synonymous to "packed,joineup", but apparently not if whitespace is active.

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"Usually" is in the eye of the beholder. ;-)

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I would have thought that having non-zero whitespace between paragraphs is common. For example, Aditya's blog linked to above has whitespace between paragraphs. Are you suggesting that is uncommon, or (showing my Context-noobness) is \setupwhitespace not the usual ConTeXt way to do this?

Yes, it’s common, and \setupwhitespace is right.

OK, thanks for the confirmation.

I just don’t remember all the setups in my many environments all the time.

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I added a few comments to https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupitemgroup Unfortunately, this is one of the areas where we have a plethora of options and no documentation about them.

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Thanks for adding them. I see you did not document the all-important (to me) "after" (or "before") in the wiki. Would you like to add that? If you don't have time right now, I'd be happy to do so.

It’s there now.

Thanks, I have already seen them!

I’m not sure about the options regarding width

I've done some more exploration about items in the last hour or so. I'm not sure I am yet ready to update the wiki (I am concerned that incomplete information may be worse than no information), but if/when I feel confident, I will add some information about some options. (I guess the implementation code is the current definitive documentation!) Cheers. Jim

On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 01:15 (+0000), Bruce Horrocks wrote:

On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:15, Jim wrote:

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I would like something which automagically "does the right thing".

Not pretty, but... :-)

\setupwhitespace [big] \setuppapersize [letter]

\define[1]\mystopitemize{\stopitemize\doifsamestringelse{#1}{\par}{\blank}{#1}}

\starttext This is a short paragraph.

This is a line before an itemization. \startitemize[nowhite] \item First item. \item Second item. \mystopitemize This is a short paragraph immediately following.

This is a line before a {\bf nowhite, after} itemization. \startitemize[nowhite] \item First item. \item Second item. \mystopitemize

This is the next short paragraph, not part of the above.

\stoptext

Bruce, thanks very much for that code. Given that (apparently?) there is no option to itemize to do what I want, what you have is a good choice. I just tried this: \let\originalstopitemize=\stopitemize \define[1]\stopitemize{\originalstopitemize\doifsamestringelse{#1}{\par}{\blank}{#1}} and it works with the above test, after replacing \mystopitemize with the usual \stopitemize. I'm not sure what this might break going forward, but I guess time will tell. (Or perhaps someone with more ConTeXt knowledge than me will tell me first.) Cheers. Jim

Hi Michael, thanks for getting back. But the problem is not the text in front of the items, but rather vertical whitespace that I don't want. (Or, with 'nowhite', vertical space that I might want not being there.) Cheers. Jim On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 15:51 (+0000), Rogers, Michael K wrote:

Hi Jim,

I think you want alternative “a”, if the dot instead of a letter is the problem and not the whitespace:

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\starttext

This is a short paragraph.

This is a line before a {\bf packed, joinedup} itemization. \startitemize[a,packed,joinedup] \item First item. \item Second item. \stopitemize This is a line immediately following the above itemization.

This is a short paragraph.

\stoptext

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Cheers,

Michael

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On Jan 15, 2024, at 6:36 AM, Jim wrote:

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Hi Hraban,

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thanks for your response. But...

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On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 08:17 (+0100), Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

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Am 15.01.24 um 01:42 schrieb Jim:

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Some text preceding the list of items: a. Item one. b. Second item. This sentence is part of the same paragraph.

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The next paragraph starts here...

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\startitemize[packed,joinedup] should be the right combination.

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I won't argue about "should", but I will point out it isn't, at least on my computer with a recently updated context.

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Here is a non-minimal but short non-working example.

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\setupwhitespace [big]

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\setuppapersize [letter]

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\starttext This is a short paragraph.

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This is a line before a {\bf packed, joinedup} itemization. \startitemize[packed,joinedup] \item First item. \item Second item. \stopitemize This is a line immediately following the above itemization.

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This is a short paragraph.

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This is a line before a {\bf packed, joinedup} itemization. \startitemize[packed,joinedup] \item First item. \item Second item. \stopitemize

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This is another short paragraph.

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\stoptext

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