Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

Am 2005-07-14 um 15:49 schrieb Radhelorn:

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I'm expirementing with tabular layouts and have many problems with tabulate. For example I want to make tabulate header of description but ConTeXt gives me errors about missing } and such. I is possible to make tabulate "one big letter" as in LaTeX and manipuate it as a whole? I haven't any luck with combinations of vbox/hbox. Maybe there is ConTeXish way to do this?

Try buffers; try \bgroup ... \egroup instead of {...} in definitions; try to post a minimal example of what you did, so that we don't have to search for our crystal balls in order to help you.

Here is one: \starttext \definetyping[test][option=commands] \starttest /BTEX\vbox\starttabulate \NC test \NC test \NR \NC test \NC test \NR \stoptabulate/ETEX \stoptest \stoptext Maybe I'm abusing tabular because TeXish \settabs will do for many cases but I want to use some of tabular features. Another problem with this example that /BTEX /ETEX doesn't work when I use just \starttyping[option=commands]. -- Radhelorn

Hans Hagen wrote:

Radhelorn wrote:

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Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

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Am 2005-07-14 um 15:49 schrieb Radhelorn:

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I'm expirementing with tabular layouts and have many problems with tabulate. For example I want to make tabulate header of description but ConTeXt gives me errors about missing } and such. I is possible to make tabulate "one big letter" as in LaTeX and manipuate it as a whole? I haven't any luck with combinations of vbox/hbox. Maybe there is ConTeXish way to do this?

Try buffers; try \bgroup ... \egroup instead of {...} in definitions; try to post a minimal example of what you did, so that we don't have to search for our crystal balls in order to help you.

Here is one:

\starttext \definetyping[test][option=commands] \starttest /BTEX\vbox\starttabulate \NC test \NC test \NR \NC test \NC test \NR \stoptabulate/ETEX \stoptest \stoptext

Maybe I'm abusing tabular because TeXish \settabs will do for many cases but I want to use some of tabular features.

what do you want to achieve? why do you need the typing?

This is just an example where tabular gives errors. Actualy I started from tries to align not floating tables (\setuptabular[align=middle] \startalignment[middle] doesn't help). I thougt that making tabular independent from it's surroundings will be workaround and provide possibility to abuse it in some other places. Sorry, this is bad example. I've solved aligning problem with \hfill\vbox or \rightaligned, but this needs to be done for each table. Did I miss something important? -- Radhelorn

Peter Münster wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, Radhelorn wrote:

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I've solved aligning problem with \hfill\vbox or \rightaligned, but this needs to be done for each table.

Did I miss something important?

Hello, you can define a macro. For example:

\def\startMyMidAlignedTable{\hbox to \hsize\bgroup\hss\vbox \bgroup\starttable} \def\stopMyMidAlignedTable{\stoptable\egroup\hss\egroup}

Oh, thanks. Can you describe in a few words distinction between {} and \bgroup\egroup? I know that \bgroup\egroup are "implicit characters" and useful in macro definitions but what this really means? -- Radhelorn

Christopher Creutzig wrote:

Radhelorn wrote:

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Oh, thanks. Can you describe in a few words distinction between {} and \bgroup\egroup? I know that \bgroup\egroup are "implicit characters" and useful in macro definitions but what this really means?

You can have

\def\startfoo{\bgroup} \def\stopfoo{\egroup}

but you cannot get the same effect with

\def\startfoo{{} \def\stopfoo{}}

Thanks. Clear and simple answer.

I believe in ConTeXt you'd usually(?) use \start and \stop instead of \bgroup and \egroup, though. What do the experts say about this?

I've seen \start \stop pairs in some examples, but there are so many of them in sources that I can not find their definition. -- Radhelorn

Brooks Moses wrote:

At 12:21 PM 7/17/2005, Radhelorn wrote:

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Christopher Creutzig wrote:

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I believe in ConTeXt you'd usually(?) use \start and \stop instead of \bgroup and \egroup, though. What do the experts say about this?

I've seen \start \stop pairs in some examples, but there are so many of them in sources that I can not find their definition.

Doing a \show\start in a document finds a definition for \start as \docomplexorsimple \complexstart \simplestart; grepping for 'def\\complexstart' (the \\ being the shell escape for \) finds the definition of that in core-sys.tex.

and also e!start Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

My other mail didn't come back yet, so to answer the question I raised in there: In this context, \start and \stop won't help, since \hbox expects something that expands to { to follow. Christopher

Radhelorn wrote:

Hans Hagen wrote:

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Radhelorn wrote:

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Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

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Am 2005-07-14 um 15:49 schrieb Radhelorn:

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I'm expirementing with tabular layouts and have many problems with tabulate. For example I want to make tabulate header of description but ConTeXt gives me errors about missing } and such. I is possible to make tabulate "one big letter" as in LaTeX and manipuate it as a whole? I haven't any luck with combinations of vbox/hbox. Maybe there is ConTeXish way to do this?

Try buffers; try \bgroup ... \egroup instead of {...} in definitions; try to post a minimal example of what you did, so that we don't have to search for our crystal balls in order to help you.

Here is one:

\starttext \definetyping[test][option=commands] \starttest /BTEX\vbox\starttabulate \NC test \NC test \NR \NC test \NC test \NR \stoptabulate/ETEX \stoptest \stoptext

Maybe I'm abusing tabular because TeXish \settabs will do for many cases but I want to use some of tabular features.

what do you want to achieve? why do you need the typing?

This is just an example where tabular gives errors. Actualy I started from tries to align not floating tables (\setuptabular[align=middle] \startalignment[middle] doesn't help). I thougt that making tabular independent from it's surroundings will be workaround and provide possibility to abuse it in some other places.

Sorry, this is bad example.

I've solved aligning problem with \hfill\vbox or \rightaligned, but this needs to be done for each table.

Did I miss something important?

there is a 'low level' structure for that: \defineplacement[right][left=\hfill,right=] \input tufte \placeright \starttabulate[|l|l|] \NC test \NC test \NC \NR \NC test \NC test \NC \NR \NC test \NC test \NC \NR \stoptabulate \input tufte \stoptext -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------