On Mon May 12 22:01:04 2014, Hans Hagen wrote:

On 5/12/2014 9:48 PM, Aíre Funvake wrote:

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Hi all,

Trying to select "slashed zero" and "lining figures" from a font. For Lucida Bright OT, as another example, +scmp works, but not for Charter ITC Pro. But the font that concerns me the most right now, is TheSansMono Condensed...

Font URL: http://www.lucasfonts.com/fonts/thesansmono/thesansmono-condensed/features/

PDF Info: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6613992/TheSansMonoCd-info.pdf

8<-------------------minimal example---------------------------->8 \newdimen\fntcodesz \fntcodesz = 11.5pt \font\kwr = name:thesansmonocdw5regular:+lnum;+zero at \fntcodesz \kwr 0123456789 \bye 8<-------------------------------------------------------------->8

sometimes you need to select a script/language combination too or when digits are concerned disable oldstyle

I'm too inexperienced to know what that means, or how to apply that. I've opened the font in FontForge, and can see the glyphs I'm looking for, but again, it does not carry much applicable meaning for me. For example, can I use this information?: Slash 0, Lining Figures: (0x10120) U+0030 "zero.lf.slashed" DIGIT ZERO 1, Lining Figures: (0x10121) U+0031 "one.lf" DIGIT ONE ... Slash 0, "Basic": (0x1012b) U+0030 "zero.basic.slashed" DIGIT ZERO 1, "Basic": (0x1012c) U+0031 "one.basic" DIGIT ONE ... Also, under Font Info -> Lookups, I see something which may help: ... lookup zeroSlashedZeroinLatinlookup25 { lookupflag 0; sub \zero by \zero.slashed ; sub \zero.oldstyle by \zero.oldstyle.slashed ; sub \zero.alt1 by \zero.alt1.slashed ; sub \zero.lf by \zero.lf.slashed ; sub \zero.basic by \zero.basic.slashed ; } zeroSlashedZeroinLatinlookup25; ... The whole feature set: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6613992/TheSansMonoCd-W5Regular.fea Thanks for your time, Aíre.

On Mon May 12 22:52:43 2014, Hans Hagen wrote:

On 5/12/2014 10:46 PM, Aíre Funvake wrote:

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On Mon May 12 22:01:04 2014, Hans Hagen wrote:

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On 5/12/2014 9:48 PM, Aíre Funvake wrote:

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Hi all,

Trying to select "slashed zero" and "lining figures" from a font. For Lucida Bright OT, as another example, +scmp works, but not for Charter ITC Pro. But the font that concerns me the most right now, is TheSansMono Condensed...

Font URL: http://www.lucasfonts.com/fonts/thesansmono/thesansmono-condensed/features/

PDF Info: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6613992/TheSansMonoCd-info.pdf

8<-------------------minimal example---------------------------->8 \newdimen\fntcodesz \fntcodesz = 11.5pt \font\kwr = name:thesansmonocdw5regular:+lnum;+zero at \fntcodesz \kwr 0123456789 \bye 8<-------------------------------------------------------------->8

sometimes you need to select a script/language combination too or when digits are concerned disable oldstyle

I'm too inexperienced to know what that means, or how to apply that.

there is some info in font manuals and the context wiki

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I've opened the font in FontForge, and can see the glyphs I'm looking for, but again, it does not carry much applicable meaning for me. For example, can I use this information?:

Slash 0, Lining Figures: (0x10120) U+0030 "zero.lf.slashed" DIGIT ZERO 1, Lining Figures: (0x10121) U+0031 "one.lf" DIGIT ONE ... Slash 0, "Basic": (0x1012b) U+0030 "zero.basic.slashed" DIGIT ZERO 1, "Basic": (0x1012c) U+0031 "one.basic" DIGIT ONE ...

so you need to select the lnum feature too

Was this not it?: ... \font\kwr = name:thesansmonocdw5regular:+lnum;+zero at \fntcodesz ... But thanks; will keep on reading; if solution found, will add it here. Regards, Aíre

On Mon May 12 23:12:06 2014, Aíre Funvake wrote:

On 2014-05-12, 22:59 , Aíre Funvake wrote:

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On Mon May 12 22:52:43 2014, Hans Hagen wrote:

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On 5/12/2014 10:46 PM, Aíre Funvake wrote:

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On Mon May 12 22:01:04 2014, Hans Hagen wrote:

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On 5/12/2014 9:48 PM, Aíre Funvake wrote:

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Hi all,

Trying to select "slashed zero" and "lining figures" from a font. For Lucida Bright OT, as another example, +scmp works, but not for Charter ITC Pro. But the font that concerns me the most right now, is TheSansMono Condensed...

Font URL: http://www.lucasfonts.com/fonts/thesansmono/thesansmono-condensed/features/

PDF Info: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6613992/TheSansMonoCd-info.pdf

8<-------------------minimal example---------------------------->8 \newdimen\fntcodesz \fntcodesz = 11.5pt \font\kwr = name:thesansmonocdw5regular:+lnum;+zero at \fntcodesz \kwr 0123456789 \bye 8<-------------------------------------------------------------->8

sometimes you need to select a script/language combination too or when digits are concerned disable oldstyle

I'm too inexperienced to know what that means, or how to apply that.

there is some info in font manuals and the context wiki

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I've opened the font in FontForge, and can see the glyphs I'm looking for, but again, it does not carry much applicable meaning for me. For example, can I use this information?:

Slash 0, Lining Figures: (0x10120) U+0030 "zero.lf.slashed" DIGIT ZERO 1, Lining Figures: (0x10121) U+0031 "one.lf" DIGIT ONE ... Slash 0, "Basic": (0x1012b) U+0030 "zero.basic.slashed" DIGIT ZERO 1, "Basic": (0x1012c) U+0031 "one.basic" DIGIT ONE ...

so you need to select the lnum feature too

Was this not it?: ... \font\kwr = name:thesansmonocdw5regular:+lnum;+zero at \fntcodesz ... But thanks; will keep on reading; if solution found, will add it here. Regards, Aíre

Solution: \font\tt = name:thesansmonocdw5regular:script=latn;+lnum;+zero} at 12pt Thank you!

Spoke too soon. The "zero.slashed" is selected, instead of "zero.lf.slashed", so that the zero is smaller than the rest of the lining figure numbers. In desperation, tried luatex with 'luaotfload.sty' under TeXLive2013, and it worked fine. `;color=XXXXXX` also works with `luaotfload`, but not with LuaTeX-plain from ConTeXt. Any ideas would be welcome. Exhausted Google query permutations and most font info if for LaTeX, pdfTeX, pdfLaTeX, LuaLaTeX or ConTeXt. Can I maybe as a hack switch the glyphs, or something? Thanks again & regards, Aíre.

On Tue May 13 19:56:34 2014, Hans Hagen wrote:

On 5/13/2014 7:48 PM, Aíre Funvake wrote:

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On Mon May 12 23:12:06 2014, Aíre Funvake wrote:

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On 2014-05-12, 22:59 , Aíre Funvake wrote:

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On Mon May 12 22:52:43 2014, Hans Hagen wrote:

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On 5/12/2014 10:46 PM, Aíre Funvake wrote:

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On Mon May 12 22:01:04 2014, Hans Hagen wrote: > On 5/12/2014 9:48 PM, Aíre Funvake wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Trying to select "slashed zero" and "lining figures" from a >> font. For Lucida Bright OT, as another example, +scmp works, >> but not for Charter ITC Pro. But the font that concerns me >> the most right now, is TheSansMono Condensed... >> >> Font URL: >> http://www.lucasfonts.com/fonts/thesansmono/thesansmono-condensed/features/ >> >> >> >> >> PDF Info: >> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6613992/TheSansMonoCd-info.pdf >> >> 8<-------------------minimal example---------------------------->8 >> \newdimen\fntcodesz >> \fntcodesz = 11.5pt >> \font\kwr = name:thesansmonocdw5regular:+lnum;+zero at \fntcodesz >> \kwr >> 0123456789 >> \bye >> 8<-------------------------------------------------------------->8 > > sometimes you need to select a script/language combination too > or when > digits are concerned disable oldstyle

I'm too inexperienced to know what that means, or how to apply that.

there is some info in font manuals and the context wiki

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I've opened the font in FontForge, and can see the glyphs I'm looking for, but again, it does not carry much applicable meaning for me. For example, can I use this information?:

Slash 0, Lining Figures: (0x10120) U+0030 "zero.lf.slashed" DIGIT ZERO 1, Lining Figures: (0x10121) U+0031 "one.lf" DIGIT ONE ... Slash 0, "Basic": (0x1012b) U+0030 "zero.basic.slashed" DIGIT ZERO 1, "Basic": (0x1012c) U+0031 "one.basic" DIGIT ONE ...

so you need to select the lnum feature too

Was this not it?: ... \font\kwr = name:thesansmonocdw5regular:+lnum;+zero at \fntcodesz ... But thanks; will keep on reading; if solution found, will add it here. Regards, Aíre

Solution: \font\tt = name:thesansmonocdw5regular:script=latn;+lnum;+zero} at 12pt Thank you!

Spoke too soon. The "zero.slashed" is selected, instead of "zero.lf.slashed", so that the zero is smaller than the rest of the lining figure numbers. In desperation, tried luatex with 'luaotfload.sty' under TeXLive2013, and it worked fine. `;color=XXXXXX` also works with `luaotfload`, but not with LuaTeX-plain from ConTeXt.

no, and that is unlikely to show up in context as it makes no sense to specify colors that way .. just use the normal color commands

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Any ideas would be welcome. Exhausted Google query permutations and most font info if for LaTeX, pdfTeX, pdfLaTeX, LuaLaTeX or ConTeXt.

Can I maybe as a hack switch the glyphs, or something?

how about adding

mode=node

in the plain setup (often not needed in context)

Hans

Thanks for the reply. Tried `mode=node`. Read about it, but never thought of putting it here!? The correct specification then is: \font\mono = {TheSansMonoCd-W5Regular:% script=latn;+lnum;+zero;mode=node} at \fntsze Confused about the color though. Read most of luatexref-t.pdf, and may have missed it. The only reference (and it works in `luaotfload` under TeXLive2013) is like this: \font\mono = {TheSansMonoCd-W5Regular:% script=latn;+lnum;+zero;mode=node;color=336699} at \fntsze ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Found no other reference to setting color on fonts in LuaTeX-plain (the ConTeXt version). Would love a pointer to the information though. Big thanks for the `mode=node`; took me 6hrs to try and fix to no avail. All the best, Aíre.

On Tue May 13 20:57:55 2014, Hans Hagen wrote:

On 5/13/2014 8:16 PM, Aíre Funvake wrote:

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On Tue May 13 19:56:34 2014, Hans Hagen wrote:

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On 5/13/2014 7:48 PM, Aíre Funvake wrote:

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On Mon May 12 23:12:06 2014, Aíre Funvake wrote:

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On 2014-05-12, 22:59 , Aíre Funvake wrote:

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On Mon May 12 22:52:43 2014, Hans Hagen wrote: > On 5/12/2014 10:46 PM, Aíre Funvake wrote: >> On Mon May 12 22:01:04 2014, Hans Hagen wrote: >>> On 5/12/2014 9:48 PM, Aíre Funvake wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Trying to select "slashed zero" and "lining figures" from a >>>> font. For Lucida Bright OT, as another example, +scmp works, >>>> but not for Charter ITC Pro. But the font that concerns me >>>> the most right now, is TheSansMono Condensed... >>>> >>>> Font URL: >>>> http://www.lucasfonts.com/fonts/thesansmono/thesansmono-condensed/features/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> PDF Info: >>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6613992/TheSansMonoCd-info.pdf >>>> >>>> >>>> 8<-------------------minimal >>>> example---------------------------->8 >>>> \newdimen\fntcodesz >>>> \fntcodesz = 11.5pt >>>> \font\kwr = name:thesansmonocdw5regular:+lnum;+zero at >>>> \fntcodesz >>>> \kwr >>>> 0123456789 >>>> \bye >>>> 8<-------------------------------------------------------------->8 >>>> >>> >>> sometimes you need to select a script/language combination too >>> or when >>> digits are concerned disable oldstyle >> >> I'm too inexperienced to know what that means, or how to apply >> that. > > there is some info in font manuals and the context wiki > >> I've opened the font in FontForge, and can see the glyphs I'm >> looking for, but again, it does not carry much applicable meaning >> for me. For example, can I use this information?: >> >> Slash 0, Lining Figures: (0x10120) U+0030 "zero.lf.slashed" DIGIT >> ZERO >> 1, Lining Figures: (0x10121) U+0031 "one.lf" DIGIT ONE >> ... >> Slash 0, "Basic": (0x1012b) U+0030 "zero.basic.slashed" DIGIT ZERO >> 1, "Basic": (0x1012c) U+0031 "one.basic" DIGIT ONE >> ... > > so you need to select the lnum feature too > Was this not it?: ... \font\kwr = name:thesansmonocdw5regular:+lnum;+zero at \fntcodesz ... But thanks; will keep on reading; if solution found, will add it here. Regards, Aíre

Solution: \font\tt = name:thesansmonocdw5regular:script=latn;+lnum;+zero} at 12pt Thank you!

Spoke too soon. The "zero.slashed" is selected, instead of "zero.lf.slashed", so that the zero is smaller than the rest of the lining figure numbers. In desperation, tried luatex with 'luaotfload.sty' under TeXLive2013, and it worked fine. `;color=XXXXXX` also works with `luaotfload`, but not with LuaTeX-plain from ConTeXt.

no, and that is unlikely to show up in context as it makes no sense to specify colors that way .. just use the normal color commands

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Any ideas would be welcome. Exhausted Google query permutations and most font info if for LaTeX, pdfTeX, pdfLaTeX, LuaLaTeX or ConTeXt.

Can I maybe as a hack switch the glyphs, or something?

how about adding

mode=node

in the plain setup (often not needed in context)

Hans

Thanks for the reply. Tried `mode=node`. Read about it, but never thought of putting it here!? The correct specification then is:

\font\mono = {TheSansMonoCd-W5Regular:% script=latn;+lnum;+zero;mode=node} at \fntsze

Confused about the color though. Read most of luatexref-t.pdf, and may have missed it. The only reference (and it works in `luaotfload` under TeXLive2013) is like this:

\font\mono = {TheSansMonoCd-W5Regular:% script=latn;+lnum;+zero;mode=node;color=336699} at \fntsze ~~~~~~~~~~~~

so it looks like oftload adds that (or maybe the latex font definition code) but even then, it's probably implemented someplace else in the latex code

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Found no other reference to setting color on fonts in LuaTeX-plain (the ConTeXt version). Would love a pointer to the information though.

it must be something latex i think (maybe to provide xetex compatibility) but it's definitely not in luatex (nor will be) and also not in context (which has more advanced color support than hex specs anyway)

if you want color, use context instead of plain

It's OK, can live without the color for now.

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Big thanks for the `mode=node`; took me 6hrs to try and fix to no avail.

best try out these things with context (and if needed turn on tracing)

Probably misplaced intentions, but I want to want to understand TeX properly first (TeXbook, etc.), before moving on to the higher level of ConTeXt. But in the meantime, it would still be nice if good looking documents could be produced, even if it requires much manual tweaking. Started as an assembler programmer, then Forth, then C, etc. Learn best from the bottom up:) Have a good evening, and thank you for your time and attention.

On Wed May 14 00:16:54 2014, Philipp Gesang wrote:

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On 5/13/2014 8:16 PM, Aíre Funvake wrote:

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On Tue May 13 19:56:34 2014, Hans Hagen wrote:

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On 5/13/2014 7:48 PM, Aíre Funvake wrote:

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On Mon May 12 23:12:06 2014, Aíre Funvake wrote:

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On 2014-05-12, 22:59 , Aíre Funvake wrote: > On Mon May 12 22:52:43 2014, Hans Hagen wrote: >> On 5/12/2014 10:46 PM, Aíre Funvake wrote: >>> On Mon May 12 22:01:04 2014, Hans Hagen wrote: >>>> On 5/12/2014 9:48 PM, Aíre Funvake wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> Trying to select "slashed zero" and "lining figures" from a >>>>> font. For Lucida Bright OT, as another example, +scmp works, >>>>> but not for Charter ITC Pro. But the font that concerns me >>>>> the most right now, is TheSansMono Condensed... >>>>> >>>>> Font URL: >>>>> http://www.lucasfonts.com/fonts/thesansmono/thesansmono-condensed/features/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> PDF Info: >>>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6613992/TheSansMonoCd-info.pdf >>>>> >>>>> 8<-------------------minimal example---------------------------->8 >>>>> \newdimen\fntcodesz >>>>> \fntcodesz = 11.5pt >>>>> \font\kwr = name:thesansmonocdw5regular:+lnum;+zero at \fntcodesz >>>>> \kwr >>>>> 0123456789 >>>>> \bye >>>>> 8<-------------------------------------------------------------->8 >>>> >>>> sometimes you need to select a script/language combination too >>>> or when >>>> digits are concerned disable oldstyle >>> >>> I'm too inexperienced to know what that means, or how to apply that. >> >> there is some info in font manuals and the context wiki >> >>> I've opened the font in FontForge, and can see the glyphs I'm >>> looking for, but again, it does not carry much applicable meaning >>> for me. For example, can I use this information?: >>> >>> Slash 0, Lining Figures: (0x10120) U+0030 "zero.lf.slashed" DIGIT >>> ZERO >>> 1, Lining Figures: (0x10121) U+0031 "one.lf" DIGIT ONE >>> ... >>> Slash 0, "Basic": (0x1012b) U+0030 "zero.basic.slashed" DIGIT ZERO >>> 1, "Basic": (0x1012c) U+0031 "one.basic" DIGIT ONE >>> ... >> >> so you need to select the lnum feature too >> > Was this not it?: > ... > \font\kwr = name:thesansmonocdw5regular:+lnum;+zero at \fntcodesz > ... > But thanks; will keep on reading; if solution found, will add it here. > Regards, > Aíre > Solution: \font\tt = name:thesansmonocdw5regular:script=latn;+lnum;+zero} at 12pt Thank you!

Spoke too soon. The "zero.slashed" is selected, instead of "zero.lf.slashed", so that the zero is smaller than the rest of the lining figure numbers. In desperation, tried luatex with 'luaotfload.sty' under TeXLive2013, and it worked fine. `;color=XXXXXX` also works with `luaotfload`, but not with LuaTeX-plain from ConTeXt.

no, and that is unlikely to show up in context as it makes no sense to specify colors that way .. just use the normal color commands

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Any ideas would be welcome. Exhausted Google query permutations and most font info if for LaTeX, pdfTeX, pdfLaTeX, LuaLaTeX or ConTeXt.

Can I maybe as a hack switch the glyphs, or something?

how about adding

mode=node

in the plain setup (often not needed in context)

Hans

Thanks for the reply. Tried `mode=node`. Read about it, but never thought of putting it here!? The correct specification then is:

\font\mono = {TheSansMonoCd-W5Regular:% script=latn;+lnum;+zero;mode=node} at \fntsze

Confused about the color though. Read most of luatexref-t.pdf, and may have missed it. The only reference (and it works in `luaotfload` under TeXLive2013) is like this:

\font\mono = {TheSansMonoCd-W5Regular:% script=latn;+lnum;+zero;mode=node;color=336699} at \fntsze ~~~~~~~~~~~~

so it looks like oftload adds that (or maybe the latex font definition code) but even then, it's probably implemented someplace else in the latex code

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Found no other reference to setting color on fonts in LuaTeX-plain (the ConTeXt version). Would love a pointer to the information though.

it must be something latex i think (maybe to provide xetex compatibility) but it's definitely not in luatex (nor will be) and also not in context (which has more advanced color support than hex specs anyway)

That’s correct. The “color” key triggers a custom callback that tints every glyph of the defined font. It’s part of Luaotfload solely for compatibility for Xetex. IMO it’s not worth the hassle; I recommend using a proper color package instead.

Thank you for the kind advice, Philipp. Is there a color package that works with ConTeXt's luatex-plain.fmt that you can suggest?

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if you want color, use context instead of plain

Probably the best suggestion =)

Noted. My ultimate goal.

Philipp

Regards, Aíre