Recent versions of illustrator don't provide a cropbox but set the trip and artbox instead; I think that it makes sense, when no box spec is given to pdftex, the fallback scheme should be: cropbox trimbox artbox mediabox instead of cropbox mediabox (interesting how willing adobe is to break compatible behaviour, probably because they use version info inthe graphics to adapt their progs behaviour to) discussions with publishers have learned me that it's impossible to tell designers what boxes are needed because they have no clue (i.e. dtp apps just let you add such a box, some dtp program slook into the file and determine the boundary [dangerous imo], or adding a box is so obscured that it is not done]; so i think we should play safe and not expect perfect graphics -) [this apart from wrong boxes, but we cannot catch that] Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------