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Thomas Meyer

14 Jan 2024 14 Jan '24

10:30 a.m.

Hi folks, which settings are necessary to achieve "Registerhaltigkeit"? Thank you in advance Thomas

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Wolfgang Schuster

14 Jan 14 Jan

10:59 a.m.

Thomas Meyer schrieb am 14.01.2024 um 10:30:

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Hi folks,

which settings are necessary to achieve "Registerhaltigkeit"?

\setuplayout[grid=yes] but sometimes elements elements have to be forced to be on the grid, e.g. tables need to be part of a float. Wolfgang

Henning Hraban Ramm

11:02 a.m.

Am 14.01.24 um 10:30 schrieb Thomas Meyer:

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which settings are necessary to achieve "Registerhaltigkeit"?

\setuplayout[grid=yes] You might like \showgrid, and please read the manual details.pdf WRT to placement of elements that don’t fit the grid. Hraban

Thank you Wolfgang and Hraban, it can be so easy! But if my last subject should be at the end of the page and I shift it with \vfill to the end, the last subject doesn't fit the grid! Am 14.01.24 um 11:02 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:

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Am 14.01.24 um 10:30 schrieb Thomas Meyer:

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which settings are necessary to achieve "Registerhaltigkeit"?

\setuplayout[grid=yes]

You might like \showgrid, and please read the manual details.pdf WRT to placement of elements that don’t fit the grid.

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Wolfgang Schuster

1:53 p.m.

Thomas Meyer schrieb am 14.01.2024 um 11:21:

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Thank you Wolfgang and Hraban, it can be so easy!

But if my last subject should be at the end of the page and I shift it with \vfill to the end, the last subject doesn't fit the grid!

Can you provide a minimal example where you show what you're trying to place at the bottom of the page. Wolfgang

Thomas Meyer

5:36 p.m.

Here comes my minimal example. \vfill doesn't fit the grid, the counted blank works. Is it possible to jump to grid with blank[?] ? Am 14.01.24 um 13:53 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

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Thomas Meyer schrieb am 14.01.2024 um 11:21:

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Thank you Wolfgang and Hraban, it can be so easy!

But if my last subject should be at the end of the page and I shift it with \vfill to the end, the last subject doesn't fit the grid!

Can you provide a minimal example where you show what you're trying to place at the bottom of the page.

Wolfgang

Thomas Meyer

17 Jan 17 Jan

8:57 p.m.

Got it. Am 14.01.24 um 17:36 schrieb Thomas Meyer:

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Here comes my minimal example. \vfill doesn't fit the grid, the counted blank works.

Is it possible to jump to grid with blank[?] ?

Am 14.01.24 um 13:53 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

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Thomas Meyer schrieb am 14.01.2024 um 11:21:

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Thank you Wolfgang and Hraban, it can be so easy!

But if my last subject should be at the end of the page and I shift it with \vfill to the end, the last subject doesn't fit the grid!

Can you provide a minimal example where you show what you're trying to place at the bottom of the page.

Wolfgang

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Thomas Meyer

18 Jan 18 Jan

12:59 p.m.

New subject: context version 20240118 (was: "Registerhaltigkeit")

What is going on? Yesterday I got a perfect on-grid-written document! But today, with the newest context-version (20240118) all changed for the worse. I may not get a reply to this e-mail either! Am 17.01.24 um 20:57 schrieb Thomas Meyer:

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Got it.

Am 14.01.24 um 17:36 schrieb Thomas Meyer:

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Here comes my minimal example. \vfill doesn't fit the grid, the counted blank works.

Is it possible to jump to grid with blank[?] ?

Am 14.01.24 um 13:53 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

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Thomas Meyer schrieb am 14.01.2024 um 11:21:

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Thank you Wolfgang and Hraban, it can be so easy!

But if my last subject should be at the end of the page and I shift it with \vfill to the end, the last subject doesn't fit the grid!

Can you provide a minimal example where you show what you're trying to place at the bottom of the page.

Wolfgang

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Hans Hagen

1:06 p.m.

New subject: context version 20240118

On 1/18/2024 12:59 PM, Thomas Meyer wrote:

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What is going on?

Yesterday I got a perfect on-grid-written document! But today, with the newest context-version (20240118) all changed for the worse.

as follow up on the keyword thread we decided to treat bad values to equivalent to 'no'

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I may not get a reply to this e-mail either! ?

Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Thomas Meyer

1:30 p.m.

New subject: context version 20240118

I may not understand it ... Where can I find the thread (which keyword?)and which values are bad? Greetings Thomas Am 18.01.24 um 13:06 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:

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as follow up on the keyword thread we decided to treat bad values to equivalent to 'no'

Thomas Meyer

22 Jan 22 Jan

10:47 a.m.

New subject: context version 20240118 ("Registerhaltigkeit")

Hi Hans, maybe you understand the question mark now, you are part of it. Unfortunately, I haven't received a reply to my last e-mail from January 18. Maybe only those whose questions are more serious, more interesting or whatever will get an answer. I do not understand what you mean with "as follow up on the keyword thread we decided to treat bad values to equivalent to 'no'"! Which values are bad in this context? With the new ConTeXt version, "grid" no longer works for me! Too bad. Should my attempt to use ConTeXt end here? Greetings Am 18.01.24 um 13:06 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:

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On 1/18/2024 12:59 PM, Thomas Meyer wrote:

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What is going on?

Yesterday I got a perfect on-grid-written document! But today, with the newest context-version (20240118) all changed for the worse.

as follow up on the keyword thread we decided to treat bad values to equivalent to 'no'

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I may not get a reply to this e-mail either! ?

Hans

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Hans Hagen

10:56 a.m.

New subject: context version 20240118 ("Registerhaltigkeit")

On 1/22/2024 10:47 AM, Thomas Meyer wrote:

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Hi Hans,

maybe you understand the question mark now, you are part of it. Unfortunately, I haven't received a reply to my last e-mail from January 18.

No I don't. Are you sayign that you want an instant reply every time? I assume you realize that we're talking about volunteers here and that answering is askign users and developers to allocate free time to answer them and as we all have jobs it's not like we can always answer immediately.

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Maybe only those whose questions are more serious, more interesting or whatever will get an answer.

Depends. I guess that when folk on this list assume a question to be answered they move on to a next one. Also, the only way to get an answer fast is to provide a good small example that exposes the issue.

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I do not understand what you mean with "as follow up on the keyword thread we decided to treat bad values to equivalent to 'no'"! Which values are bad in this context?

Did you read Wolfgangs answers? We support "yes" but not "yes " etc etc. We just added a bit more rigorous test.

...

With the new ConTeXt version, "grid" no longer works for me! Too bad.

Let's see what Wolfgang says as he tested your mwe.

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Should my attempt to use ConTeXt end here? hm

Thomas Meyer

11:46 a.m.

New subject: context version 20240118 ("Registerhaltigkeit")

Hi Hans, I might get a bit impatient if I have the impression that others get an answer faster. Sorry for that. I thought my example couldn't be any smaller. The only answer I got from Wolfgang was the question for a mwe. Now I found the missing comma and grid works with the new version of ConTeXt except the last paragraph. With the older version as in MacTeX and without comma, the whole 3-pages-document is on grid. So the problem is still \hfill that the last paragraph is not on grid in the new and the old version (and comma). Sorry again - and I will continue to try Context! Greetings Thomas Am 22.01.24 um 10:56 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:

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On 1/22/2024 10:47 AM, Thomas Meyer wrote:

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Hi Hans,

maybe you understand the question mark now, you are part of it. Unfortunately, I haven't received a reply to my last e-mail from January 18.

No I don't. Are you sayign that you want an instant reply every time? I assume you realize that we're talking about volunteers here and that answering is askign users and developers to allocate free time to answer them and as we all have jobs it's not like we can always answer immediately.

...
Maybe only those whose questions are more serious, more interesting or whatever will get an answer.

Depends. I guess that when folk on this list assume a question to be answered they move on to a next one. Also, the only way to get an answer fast is to provide a good small example that exposes the issue.

...
I do not understand what you mean with "as follow up on the keyword thread we decided to treat bad values to equivalent to 'no'"! Which values are bad in this context?

Did you read Wolfgangs answers? We support "yes" but not "yes " etc etc. We just added a bit more rigorous test.

...
With the new ConTeXt version, "grid" no longer works for me! Too bad.

Let's see what Wolfgang says as he tested your mwe.

...
Should my attempt to use ConTeXt end here? hm

Hans

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Henning Hraban Ramm

12:06 p.m.

New subject: context version 20240118 ("Registerhaltigkeit")

Am 22.01.24 um 11:46 schrieb Thomas Meyer:

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I might get a bit impatient if I have the impression that others get an answer faster. Sorry for that.

It’s not unusual to get that impression. It depends on the current attention, capacity and mood of the few who can answer your questions.

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So the problem is still \hfill that the last paragraph is not on grid in the new and the old version (and comma).

Grid is not as easy as it looks first. Low level tricks like fills or skips can mess it up. Maybe \startlinecorrection helps… (No, it doesn’t.) It also doesn’t help to add a \blank or \par after \vfill. Hans, how about adding \blank[fill] for a vertical fill that keeps the grid (in grid mode, of course)? https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Grid_typesetting is not very helpful, some links are dead, “someone” should change that. The details manual has some hints about grid typesetting, but it’s not an easy read. Hraban

Thomas Meyer

1:04 p.m.

New subject: context version 20240118 ("Registerhaltigkeit")

Am 22.01.24 um 12:06 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:

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Am 22.01.24 um 11:46 schrieb Thomas Meyer:

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I might get a bit impatient if I have the impression that others get an answer faster. Sorry for that.

It’s not unusual to get that impression. It depends on the current attention, capacity and mood of the few who can answer your questions.

...
So the problem is still \hfill that the last paragraph is not on grid in the new and the old version (and comma).

Grid is not as easy as it looks first. Low level tricks like fills or skips can mess it up.

Maybe \startlinecorrection helps… (No, it doesn’t.)

It also doesn’t help to add a \blank or \par after \vfill.

I know it, i tried it. And I tried \snaptogrid \vbox {}, it doesn't work too. Only counting empty rows and set the number in \blank[ *big] works!

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Hans, how about adding \blank[fill] for a vertical fill that keeps the grid (in grid mode, of course)?

https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Grid_typesetting is not very helpful, some links are dead, “someone” should change that.

The details manual has some hints about grid typesetting, but it’s not an easy read.

Hraban ___________________________________________________________________________________

If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

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Wolfgang Schuster

8:24 p.m.

New subject: context version 20240118 ("Registerhaltigkeit")

Thomas Meyer schrieb am 22.01.2024 um 13:04:

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Am 22.01.24 um 12:06 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:

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Am 22.01.24 um 11:46 schrieb Thomas Meyer:

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I might get a bit impatient if I have the impression that others get an answer faster. Sorry for that.

It’s not unusual to get that impression. It depends on the current attention, capacity and mood of the few who can answer your questions.

...
So the problem is still \hfill that the last paragraph is not on grid in the new and the old version (and comma).

Grid is not as easy as it looks first. Low level tricks like fills or skips can mess it up.

Maybe \startlinecorrection helps… (No, it doesn’t.)

It also doesn’t help to add a \blank or \par after \vfill.

I know it, i tried it. And I tried \snaptogrid \vbox {}, it doesn't work too.

Only counting empty rows and set the number in \blank[ *big] works!

You need a fixed space (multiple of the line distance) between the text blocks and \vfill is a variable space which isn't what you want here. TO get the desired space between the blocks you have to measure the height of the text at the bottom and calculate the number of lines which have to be added in the gap. Below is a simple solution which adds the required number of \blank lines. \def\PlaceAtBottom {\par \dowithnextbox {\scratchdimen\dimexpr\pagegoal-\pagetotal\relax \ifdim\nextboxht>\scratchdimen \page \getnoflines{\dimexpr\textheight-\nextboxht\relax}% \dontleavehmode\blank[\number\numexpr\noflines-2\relax*line]% \unvbox\nextbox \else \getnoflines{\dimexpr\scratchdimen-\nextboxht\relax}% \blank[\number\numexpr\noflines-1\relax*line]% \unvbox\nextbox \fi} \vbox} \let\stopPlaceAtBottom\egroup \def\startPlaceAtBottom {\PlaceAtBottom\bgroup} \mainlanguage[de] \setupbodyfont[libertinus, 12pt] \setuppagenumbering [location={footer,middle}] \setuplayout [grid=yes] \showgrid \starttext \samplefile{lorem} \startPlaceAtBottom {\sl\samplefile{lorem}} \stopPlaceAtBottom \page \dorecurse{4}{\samplefile{lorem}} \startPlaceAtBottom {\sl\samplefile{lorem}} \stopPlaceAtBottom \stoptext Wolfgang

Thomas Meyer

23 Jan 23 Jan

11:39 a.m.

New subject: context version 20240118 ("Registerhaltigkeit")

That's it! Many thanks to Hans, Hraban and especially Wolfgang for his solution. This environment should become part of ConTeXt! I have been a LaTeX/XeTeX/LuaLaTeX user for over 30 years and used it to write my papers during my studies and use it for almost all my writing. Now I wanted to try ConTeXt and will be glad if anyone can help me. As I said, I am only a user. Many thanks and best regards Thomas Am 22.01.24 um 20:24 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

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Thomas Meyer schrieb am 22.01.2024 um 13:04:

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Am 22.01.24 um 12:06 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:

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Am 22.01.24 um 11:46 schrieb Thomas Meyer:

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I might get a bit impatient if I have the impression that others get an answer faster. Sorry for that.

It’s not unusual to get that impression. It depends on the current attention, capacity and mood of the few who can answer your questions.

...
So the problem is still \hfill that the last paragraph is not on grid in the new and the old version (and comma).

Grid is not as easy as it looks first. Low level tricks like fills or skips can mess it up.

Maybe \startlinecorrection helps… (No, it doesn’t.)

It also doesn’t help to add a \blank or \par after \vfill.

I know it, i tried it. And I tried \snaptogrid \vbox {}, it doesn't work too.

Only counting empty rows and set the number in \blank[ *big] works!

You need a fixed space (multiple of the line distance) between the text blocks and \vfill is a variable space which isn't what you want here.

TO get the desired space between the blocks you have to measure the height of the text at the bottom and calculate the number of lines which have to be added in the gap. Below is a simple solution which adds the required number of \blank lines.

\def\PlaceAtBottom {\par \dowithnextbox {\scratchdimen\dimexpr\pagegoal-\pagetotal\relax \ifdim\nextboxht>\scratchdimen \page \getnoflines{\dimexpr\textheight-\nextboxht\relax}% \dontleavehmode\blank[\number\numexpr\noflines-2\relax*line]% \unvbox\nextbox \else \getnoflines{\dimexpr\scratchdimen-\nextboxht\relax}% \blank[\number\numexpr\noflines-1\relax*line]% \unvbox\nextbox \fi} \vbox}

\let\stopPlaceAtBottom\egroup

\def\startPlaceAtBottom {\PlaceAtBottom\bgroup}

\mainlanguage[de] \setupbodyfont[libertinus, 12pt]

\setuppagenumbering [location={footer,middle}]

\setuplayout [grid=yes]

\showgrid

\starttext

\samplefile{lorem}

\startPlaceAtBottom {\sl\samplefile{lorem}} \stopPlaceAtBottom

\page

\dorecurse{4}{\samplefile{lorem}}

\startPlaceAtBottom {\sl\samplefile{lorem}} \stopPlaceAtBottom

\stoptext

Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________

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luigi scarso

18 Jan 18 Jan

1:51 p.m.

New subject: context version 20240118 (was: "Registerhaltigkeit")

On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 at 13:00, Thomas Meyer wrote:

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What is going on?

Yesterday I got a perfect on-grid-written document! But today, with the newest context-version (20240118) all changed for the worse.

I may not get a reply to this e-mail either!

Am 17.01.24 um 20:57 schrieb Thomas Meyer:

Got it.

Was it with a huge attachment (> 100KB)? In this case I could have rejected it .

-- luigi

Thomas Meyer

3:01 p.m.

New subject: context version 20240118

Am 18.01.24 um 13:51 schrieb luigi scarso:

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On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 at 13:00, Thomas Meyer wrote:

What is going on?

Yesterday I got a perfect on-grid-written document! But today, with the newest context-version (20240118) all changed for the worse.

I may not get a reply to this e-mail either!

Am 17.01.24 um 20:57 schrieb Thomas Meyer:

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Got it.

Was it with a huge attachment (> 100KB)? In this case I could have rejected it .

-- luigi

No attachment, only three pages text. I have had problems to get it fine onto grid. Yesterday all was nice, and I wanted to make it standard for my texts. But now ...

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